A panel conversation recorded during Notch Brewing’s Forever Lager ’26 festival. A smart group of brewing professionals got together and answered the question: How do you stay relevant in a copycat craft brewery world? Guests include: Kaitlyn LeLoup, Jason Bullen, Morgan Snyder, and Amanda Cardinali.
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